Mr. Adnan Oktar’s live conversation with the worldwide leaders of Freemasons – 2
SADUN ENGIN: Master, with your permission I am going on by introducing our guests, insha’Allah. The gentleman sitting across me is Mr. Cliff Porter, he is from the Illuminati Lodge, Colorado, Denver, he is a 32 degree Mason. The gentleman in the middle is Mr. Mordechai Linhart, he is a Mason from England and he is a Jew. Mr. Timothy Hogan, he is the Grand Master of the Templars, he is a 32 degree Mason. He is again from the US, Colorado, Denver. How would you like to continue Master?
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ADNAN OKTAR:Well, first of all I would like to say welcome.
ADNAN OKTAR: You’ve honored us, you’ve brought grace. We are striving altogether to bring about the beauties, well-being and peace that are to come upon our world. Insha’Allah according to our belief, Islam will prevail in the world. Let us take your opinions about Islam. What do you feel about this matter? You are visiting mosques when you come here, you perform prayers, so what do you feel, may be our Jewish brother has not yet gone to the mosque, but let us hear and evaluate your feelings, your opinions. Of course let us start with the Grand Master.
TIMOTHY HOGAN: Thank you. I’ve found Islam to be very beautiful. When it is practiced with peace and compassion, it truly honors Allah. Allah is the Compassionate and the Merciful God, and the Muslims that I’ve met have also been compassionate and merciful. And it has been a beautiful expression of peace. And the sights that we have seen have also been just incredible. The mosque and the energy it has been just wonderful.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha’Allah, very nice.
MORDECHAI LINHART:I found the Turkish people here especially very welcoming and everybody greets with As-Salamun Alaykom, with peace and already there we can see that the Muslims, the true Muslims always seek salam, peace, like Jews when we greet with Shalom as well. I went, I think for the first time to visit a mosque here in Istanbul, people were very welcoming. Last time I was here, when we were visiting the Big Blue Mosque in Istanbul, Muslims came to sit around us, to ask questions and I have found them very friendly, warm and I think it is the first time really, especially as a Jew, you realize that there is a warm side to Islam and really we people try to understand, try to follow in the footsteps of Abraham (pbuh), Ibrahim, forefather, to be welcoming, be good hosts, as you are to us. You are a very good host. And I could only recommend people to be here, if they want to experience a warm environment of warm Muslims. Turkey I think is the great place to come and Istanbul especially. You are a great example of really about Islam and how to welcome people and with warmth and the big smile all the time. And yes, it has been a great experience so far.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha’Allah. You please.
CLIFF PORTER: This has truly been a life-changing experience. I have now met Muslim brothers from Turkey, the United States, Beirut in Lebanon and had been invited to Syria and in every place it has been the same; hugs, lots of smiles, sharing handshakes, some photographs, but I have never once felt anything but welcomed. You know, I was a soldier at one point in my life and I know what it is like to be afraid and to believe that things can never change. So this journey for me has been very personal, very rewarding and has given me hope that the world truly can heal.
ADNAN OKTAR:Insha’Allah. With the appearance of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), with the appearance of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) insha’Allah we will live this Golden Age altogether, we will see this. All the world will live in the beauty and the joy of Islam insha’Allah. There will be no hardship, no compulsion and no oppression. The weapons will be removed, the wars will come to an end. The lions will live together with lambs, wolves will live together with lambs. Little child will stick his finger into the snake hole but the snake will not bite him. This is the truth mentioned both in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas) and in the Torah. All the world, you and us, altogether we will see those beautiful days. At this moment, these developments are taking place rapidly. Insha’Allah we will attain very nice results.
Insha’Allah if people strive in this end, they will see this pleasantness, this beauty with a very short time. But they will see this even if they don’t strive; that is because this is the destiny ordained by Allah. Our sitting here is in the destiny, your presence here and your talks are all in the destiny as well. Allah is the One Who makes you and me talk.
When this beauty is formed, there will be a profound respect, a profound feeling of protection and compassion towards all opinions, all ideologies, towards the members of all the religions.
TIMOTHY HOGAN: Yes, I think we still have responsibility to strive for peace and to continue to try to build a peaceful world. And through our efforts, we can help create that New Jerusalem.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, insha’Allah. This has been explicitly mentioned in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas). Jerusalem is a place that Hazrat Mahdi, Moschiah, Mahdi (pbuh) and the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will perform prayers together, insha’Allah. We will also rebuild the Masjid of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) insha’Allah.
As per the practices of our Prophet (saas) and according to the explicit verses of the Qur’an; there is no compulsion in religion. There will be no kind of pressure upon people. Everyone will live religion freely with their free will but eventually of course Islam will dominate the whole world, insha’Allah. We feel compassion and love towards people of all faiths, we love them as the servants of Allah, we feel compassion for them as the servants of Allah. We approach Christians, Jews and even the irreligious ones and atheists with compassion, we are striving for everyone to be well. This is a necessity of Islam. In the Qur’an, even for the idolaters Almighty Allah says; “when they go from one place to another, take them in safety, take them to their destination even at the risk of your lives.” Allah commands us to do that. We are also ordered in the Qur’an to treat the People of the Book, meaning Christians and Jews with compassion. Almighty Allah says; “you can take their women in marriage, you can marry them, you can eat their food, you can be friends with them.” Allah commands us to treat them well.
TIMOTHY HOGAN:We, as Templars, we say that when we submit to God, when we submit to Allah, then glory is brought about. We often recite the Latin “Non nobis Domine, non nobis Sed nomini tuo da gloriam”, which means “not to us is the glory but to you, O God is the glory.” And as we work through Allah, Allah shall work through us.
ADNAN OKTAR:Insha’Allah. The promise of Allah is true. Allah’s promise will certainly be kept, insha’Allah. I thank you very much. Both for your visit and for your friendship. May Allah give goodness, guidance and beauty to you all.
TIMOTHY HOGAN:We love this relationship very much and we think that it is very important that it continues into the future, because we have important work to do together.
ADNAN OKTAR:We will have intense co-operation, yes we will have a strong alliance. Our efforts will continue until the Promise of Allah, until the promise of the Qur’an will be realized, until the religion is Allah’s alone. So people will be in happiness and joy, they will all be fine and in abundance, they will all be happy but of course our real life will be the one in the Hereafter.
SADUN ENGIN: Insha’Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: I thank you all for your participation. I’ve been honored.
TIMOTHY HOGAN:Thank you, thank you…