Harun Yahya Mr. Adnan Oktar’s live conversation with the worldwide leaders of Freemasons
SADUN ENGIN:Our dear viewers we are again with you. At the moment we are here together with our guests. Our Mason friends have come from abroad. Let me go on by introducing them to you one by one. Mr. Todd William Kissam, Mr. Peter Reardon, Mr. Karl Gunnar Hultland and Mr. Mike Moore are here with us. They all come from different countries. From Sweeden and America. Our guests here are among the highest rank masons especially in Sweden and in America as well of course. Master, how would you like me to go on?
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ADNAN OKTAR:Well, let us give the floor to our guests. Let them give some additional brief information about themselves. Then we can go on.
TOD WILLIAM KISSAM:Thank you for having me. In my heart I am recognizing on this table already the Atlas of Creation. That in the United States came to my very church, and it is still there in the old church building.
TOD WILLIAM KISSAM:Yes, I recognized it. My name is Tod Kissam, I am a Freemason. In the United States I am also a Christian priest which goes without saying that I believe in God.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah. You go on.
PETER REARDON:Peter Reardon. I am a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Freemason and in Austin Texas where I live, I am the director of the [Great] Work. I am a Christian Freemason.
KARL GUNNAR HULTLAND:My name is Karl Hultland and I’m from Sweden. And I am a member of the Swedish Order of Freemasons, and I am a Christian Freemason.
MIKE MOORE:I’m Mike Moore. I’m a historian and a writer and a staff writer also. In my church I am a Presbyterian elder, and a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Freemason.
ADNAN OKTAR:So he is a member of his church, he is a Christian and a mason at the same time. Yes.
We are living in the End Times. We are in the times that are imminent to the Last Day. According to our belief the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) has come and we believe that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) who is the leader of the Muslims has come as well and we believe that these two holy people will unite and make Islam prevail in the world.
The wars in the world will come to an end. The weapons will be removed. The whole world will unite in Islam and become brothers. This will happen without any oppression, without any compulsion, but with love, beauty, art and science insha’Allah.
Fanaticism, terrorism, the system of the dajjal, meaning the anti-christ way of thinking will be wiped off the face of this world in this century, within the coming 70 years.
ADNAN OKTAR:Insha’Allah. What are your opinions about Islam, about the Qur’an and about our Prophet, the Prophet Mohammed (saas)? Let us hear about these.
TOD WILLIAM KISSAM:My personal experience just here in Istanbul these past few days, not only the gracious hospitality of yourself sir, but the hospitality of God coming through the people of Istanbul. I’ve heard before of the call to prayer from the mosques but I’ve never experienced it and how it warms the heart to know that people are coming together to pray. And we were altogether in the Blue Mosque the other day in prayer, in the sacred hospitality, so important. And I think the hallmark, the very peace of Islam, that is so important to the world today.
PETER REARDON:Our experience here in Istanbul in meeting the fabulously faithful people, the true religious people here, in Istanbul, Turkey. The experience of their religiosity and that we were invited to the Blue Mosque, and that we were, entered with open arms and we were allowed to pray. We had that experience, that transformative experience, outstanding, fantastic. And I will always remember and I will always be thankful .
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah. That is great.
KARL GUNNAR HULTLAND:It was a very deep religious experience to enter the Blue Mosque and to pray [as] Christians and Muslims side by side. And I really feel as a Christian that the Prophet (pbuh) will be able to find us guidelines for how we are to act even though we are of different faiths, we have the same God.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah. Please you go on.
MIKE MOORE:I’d like to answer in two parts on this. First that it’s been real nice to get to know these brothers because I had not known them before. But I find that good moral quality men have a bond and that bond is we’ve known each other maybe three days but we’re friends. I find that my Muslim host here and I feel that same bond and it’s nice to see good quality, religious men transcend place and religion.
And also that the picture I’ve seen here is a lot different than what is portrayed for Islam sometimes throughout the world. They are just two opposites. It’s been very open, compassionate, generous and very good to see.
ADNAN OKTAR:You will all insha’Allah become the students of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh). In a very near future, the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will insha’Allah establish a great brotherhood in the whole world and we will insha’Allah altogether see that the whole world will become Islam. But the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will do this with love, compassion and with his beautiful morality as always.
As you already know the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was very beautiful mannered person and he was full of love and his face was very beautiful. Allah had taken him to His Sight, He had taken him to a different dimension and now he is again in the dimension of this world. When people see the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) they will all be amazed, they will be very very surprised, they will be astonished and they will experience the happiness and joy of this. During the time the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is among us, the Ark of the Covenant will be found as well, insha’Allah. The originals of the Torah and the Gospel will be found, many holy relics will be found and the whole world will experience the excitement and the shock of these incidents.
And the Mahdi will probably… Well, there is a great wisdom in your visit to the Blue Mosque as well. Hagia Sophia Mosque and the Blue Mosque are very key locations. We understand that it is the point and the area in which the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will meet. Our Prophet (saas) says that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will push Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) forward from his back and have him lead the prayer. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will first invite the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), he will say; “You lead the prayer, Master,” and insist for that twice to the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) but despite of this, the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will push him forward from his back and say; “You are the imam [leader],” and have him lead the prayer as the imam.
All the Templars and the Masons will become the students of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh), you will see that as well, insha’Allah.
TOD WILLIAM KISSAM:Beautiful.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha’Allah. That is amazing, very astounding. I am amazed by that as well but this is the course of the events. All the mentioned portents are being proved to be true. All the portents mentioned in the Torah and in the Gospels have been realized. All the portents our Prophet (saas) has said have been realized. We are living in a breathtaking, historical course of time.
Let us end our discourse of today with this, you will be here again tomorrow. There are some friends of yours who have not appeared here yet as you know. There are some guests we did not have here yet. Tomorrow we will again have such a discourse with them.
I am honored to have you as our guests here. Thank you.